gouramies

[pmipunisher]

i have a 20 show set up and i have 3 gouramies and an angelfish all the gouramies are the same size and so what i hear community fish but im getting a lil betta tendencies from them where they go after each other and not the angelfish who is a lil smaller then them i also put 2 blue rams in there and they both died over night but i have a feeling it was the guy at the fish stores fault they hired someone new who basically knows nothing and he just catches the slowest and easiest catching fish hes done that twice already so im not trusting him a 3rd time im 14 and i think i know more than he does well any help about those gouramies will help

[barramundi]

Gourami can be fairly aggressive if they're establishing dominance/pecking order. I had a show tank with a 5" blue & he was king of that tank. He would nail any new fish I put in the tank & hassle for a few days to show them who's boss then leave them alone once they learn. So it sounds like that's what these 3 are doing, of course they're all quite stubborn but they'll sort it out. Just keep an eye out for any damage or if you see one getting particularly hammered you might want to trade it on something else. But their behaviour is normal, they're just not the most peaceful "community" fish available.
Likewise, remember too that your angelfish is in fact a cichlid & is predatory, so it will eat small fish when it gets bigger, like neons for example. HTH:ok:

[pmipunisher]

yup i know about the angelfish but hes not too big but big enough to fend for his own and tough because we just recently had a fungus in that tank and hes the only survivor except for the crawdad but hes too big now but we planned on putting in 2 more angelfish of about the same size my gold i think he is is the one that is picked on alot but he has several hiding places to get away so i think he shouldnt have too much of a hard time

[recycling goddess]

you have crayfish with gouramis? i hope your tank is tall and your cray can't climb up on anything... cause you will have deaths in the tank.

(i'm talking from experience!)

danios are about the only think i've found which don't die in a cray tank.

oh and i forgot to mention.... the rams need really soft water or they die. i've tried a few times to get rams to live in my tanks and haven't had any success...

[pmipunisher]

no not anymore i took the cray out when i was cleaning the tank to put the gouramies in and gave the cray his own 10 gal which was our bad fish tank

[recycling goddess]

oh okay. :D so is he the punisher now? LOL

[pmipunisher]

haha that was good yes if the fish is big enough to survive but other than that we put the fish in a 5 gal tank by themselves

[pmipunisher]

they established their little order and we added 2 good sized bala sharks and a mono in with them but everything is going fine the guoramies arent afraid of anything i stick my whole hand in there and all 3 of the guoramies, the angel, and my silver dollar will start pecking at my hand i can basically pet the 'alpha male' of the guoramies since he wont swim away from my hand and ill brush my finger up along side of him its cool

[punkypuffer]

dude... mono's are brackish water fish :/

sounds like a good group otherwise though! :)

[pmipunisher]

he seems to be doing fine in that tank hes eating normally and swimming around like other fish so hopefully that doesnt change and i didnt know that about monos thanks

[punkypuffer]

i dont think he'll last long without salt in the water...

but do what you want :/

[pmipunisher]

once i get one of the red devils out ill use that because i doubt ill get that flower horn for a while so ill move him to the 10 then maybe put a puffer in there with him i just use the same salt water i use for my reef tank?? and how much?

[Tvirus]

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[punkypuffer]

yeah man, a small puffer and a mono in a ten gallon would work for a heck of a lot longer than a flowerhorn! i would wait on the FH until i had the money saved up/

and yes you can use the salt from your salt water tank, just in a smaller amount of course :D

[pmipunisher]

as a matter of fact i do i didnt know id meet another paintballer on here instant message me on team1shot1kill if you want to talk further and for the mono it looks as if he got ick and i was thinking if i moved my red devil into the other tank with the red devil theyll live for a while since they look about the same size now but im too scared to move the mono now just because of the ick but i dont want the other fish to get it because i dont see it on any other fish in that tank and for the brackish (sorry if i spelled it wrong i forgot) what do i put about 1 gal salt to 9 gal or so fresh or how does that work?

[punkypuffer]

you use a hydrometer with your saltwater right? if you do, add salt a little at a time until it reads somewhere arounf 1.010 or so, that's what i did with all my brackish tanks

[pmipunisher]

yup i got one of those so ill do that but should i move him now that he has ick or cure him in the tank hes in now and then move him or move him then treat both tanks? thanks for the info
the only thing is i dont see ick on any of the other fish but i dont think that means they wont get it later

[recycling goddess]

ich is always in the water. kinda like flu viruses for us. it affects a fish when it's stressed... i suggest you move your fish (doing a very slow intro into it's new water) as it's only going to get more stressed out being in fw instead of brackish.

then just crank the heat to 80-82 degrees and the ich will die. after it's ich free for a few days, lower the water back, s l o w l y to your reg temp.

[pmipunisher]

the water lately hasnt gone down past 80 here its been so hot and we have no air conditioning so we set up fans blowing right at the water and he should make it another night and hold on my lobster is trying to climb outta his tank ok hes back in now so im getting another 10 gal tomorrow so ill get the specific gravity to 1.01 like punky says and then use the drip method to acclimate him in a 5 gal bucket very clean and then maybe add a puffer or two know any good brackish puffers to go in there??

[pmipunisher]

my dad wont let me buy a new tank so i moved him to a lil 1 gal or so just by himself so he doesnt die

[pmipunisher]

moving the mono was a bad idea he looked as if he were doing better in the fresh mainly because he didnt die like he did in the brackish so i learned to never move him again even though his poo was white well im over it it sucks but oh well

[barramundi]

Sounds like moving him didn't kill him, the gut infection did. If his poo's white & stringy that's a sign of bacterial infection or parasitic infection. Sorry for your loss amigo.:(

[pmipunisher]

its cool i have bigger things to worry about because my dad keeps saying were going to lose the house and right now my focus is more on that and school so you know how it is