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voss345
11-27-2006, 03:14 PM
do you know of anyonline stores or well known petstores where i can buy a large tank at a decent price hopefully i can find out before christmas so i can put my pbass in a mucher larger tank he is about 5 inches is there a way i can find out its a male before it grows his hump? i want to have at least two pbass in the large tank around 250 gallons maybe even bigger? do same sex pbass get along do males fisght eachother so on and so forth

hidesherheart
11-27-2006, 06:32 PM
www.glasscages.com

Go as large as you can if you want pbass...I had one in a 240, he outgrew it before he was full grown, very fast, very aggressive predatory fish, always splashing water.

voss345
11-27-2006, 06:38 PM
on many websites and brochures ive seen they say that 240 is "suffiecient" for tow fully grown fish is it really worth buying a 300 gallon or bigger if i want to keep these fish for the long run

hidesherheart
11-27-2006, 06:44 PM
My 240 is a tall, with the foot print of your standard 180. And having watched the one half grown pbass that we had swimming in that tank...no, personally, I don't think its enough. They are very fast, very aggressive, and 6 foot, or even 8 foot does not seem like much space for a 2 foot fish. But, it is of course your choice.

voss345
11-27-2006, 06:46 PM
so i guess a 10 ft by 3 by 4 wouldnt be enough?

hidesherheart
11-27-2006, 06:49 PM
LOL, OMG, that is roughly 900 gals, I would say that will work just fine!!!!

voss345
11-27-2006, 07:06 PM
yea id say i go like around 9 by 2 1/2 by 4 possibly thats legit just i dont think i can pull the 1500 dollars for the tank alone those tanks look really nice on that website but for their largest tank its like 3000 dollars im on 16 ahah i have a landscaping business i was looking to put in 2000 for the entire set up they donteven come with the canopy or stand is their a place i could get a tank that big, do you have any suggestions i really dont want to give up on this fish give it the greatest living space possible because most people cant give the fish proper living requirements even the fish i see at the fish store are like 13 inches and they must be 6 jammed in a 200 gallon tank

LoJack
11-28-2006, 01:30 AM
you could build a stand for a fraction of the price any place would charge you. I looked at stands for my 150 gallon tanks and most places you are looking at $800+, I even saw one for $1750

I built my stands, each of them for about $100 and both were built in one night each ... if your up to the challenge, go down that route.

Once you put a few tanks together, you learn to budget, and with a $1500 tank, I could probably still make it work with a $2000 budget. Filtration being your biggest expense, unless you do a DIY sump project ... which is way cheaper long term

If your gonna spend $2000 anyway ... I would totally go with the 9 footer ... that would be an awesome tank!

voss345
11-28-2006, 05:00 AM
that sounds great i think that would really work into my budget ill give you a buzz when i figure out the specs of the tank

Glaive
11-28-2006, 12:52 PM
If you do look into building a stand for a 250 gallon+ tank you might do well to sheet it in a minimum 7/16 OSB vs. plywood. OSB is not pretty but its shearing strength is much greater. You could in set the siding enough to allow an A/D grade sheet of plywood to skin it for looks.

I would build that stand like a house as in cap both top and bottom with a flat piece of 2x4 and then catch the joints with another layer. Studs every 16 inches and I would strongly consider blocking. Then tie it all together with OSB screwed in at a pace of a screw every six inches.If you are familiar with building houses, think California earth quake code.

Remember a gallon of water can be roughly 9 pounds so 1000 gallons is roughly 9000 pounds plus the substrate and tank. While a 2x4 has amazing properties when stood on end, it is always the sheer forces one should worry about. The stand is not going to crush flat, but will it lean and collapse.

Sorry for the long winded post, but this is a very serious investment...

PS
If my house had a slab on grade foundation I would just slip in lag bolts and pour a footing for the tank. ;)

hidesherheart
11-28-2006, 06:13 PM
Or use floor jacks placed in strategic points under the house. Our 240 weighs somewhere around 3000 lbs, and its supported by 5 floor jacks, overkill maybe, but I sleep better at night.

Glaive
11-28-2006, 07:03 PM
Floor support is certainly critical and a very good point. However they are talking about making their own stand.

hidesherheart
11-28-2006, 07:11 PM
True, but I was referring to your comment about if your house was on a slab foundation.
The stand under our 240 is a DIY, and made with pressure treated 4x4's and heavy as heck all by itself.

balton777
11-28-2006, 07:22 PM
Glaive I have a concrete foundation. When and if I get a 215 or 240, should I have additional support or something.