"dayglow" or a Xystichromis phytophagus

[Intermingl]

i recently picked this up att a lfs and they didn't know what it was and it wasnt' colored up yet but now that it is we think it is an awesoem fish and want to breed it......and we are tryinto figure out which it is....here are some pics


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/daygloweatingbottom.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/dayglowsidefull.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/dayglowkindafuzzy.jpg

[StructureGuy]

To be honest, I think Fishman76092 gave you the best advise. The Hap sp "fire" is the only victorian I know of with the gray color below the dorsal fins. The intensity of the red is heavily dependent upon how dominant the fish is (and females sometimes help the color quite a bit too.) Your recent pictures are a better quality and the Hap fire is looking a lot more likely to me.

As with any victorian, it is really tough getting a definite ID.

Mine never got real red either:
http://www.african-cichlid.com/Fire4.jpg

Kevin

[Matt V]

Originally posted by StructureGuy
As with any victorian, it is really tough getting a definite ID.



Very tough, indeed.

At first glance, it looked like one of my subdominant H. limax males. I don't think it is, but just to illustrate the maxim about 3 Victorian keepers and 8 opinions between them.

[Intermingl]

definately not a H. Limax....not that blue


the only thing abotu it beign a fire is the red doesn't go all the way back to his fin.....it stops mid body turns into green then yellow........i have seen him "buck" up anbd turn deep red and still the red doesn't go passed half his body.....but he ha a beautiful mask when he darkens up..........

still a fire??

i thought i had somehtin rare......oh well i guess it's still a bad ass fish

but let me knwo what you think form my verbal description.....if that coiencides with the sp fire

[Matt V]

Originally posted by Intermingl
definately not a H. Limax....not that blue


oh, i know. just an example of how first glance ids can be inaccurate.

[Intermingl]

yea i wasn't tryin to be rude........i'm not tryin to insult a moderators intelligence.......i've only been doin this for like 3 years...

but yea i'm jus now getting into vic's they can be very decieveing

[StructureGuy]

Originally posted by Intermingl
........I'm not tryin to insult a moderators intelligence.

I don't think that was one of the requirements, otherwise how would Matt and I have made the cut?

Kevin

[Intermingl]

but so hte consensus is that it is a Hap sp fire .....
??/




and if so how common is this fish.......

and what is the difference between a dayglow and a hap sp fire

[Intermingl]

someone had posted somethiikn about a limax?...i'm not familiar with this species....??

[Fischfan13]

I'm pretty sure that it is not a Limax, and I do not think that it is a Fire Red...I am leaning towards a Dayglow.
Here is a picture of a Fire Red that I sold a few years a go.
http://nycichlids.com/album_showpage.php?pic_id=158


As for the Limax...
They are absolutely beautiful Vics that aren't seen in the hobby very much, but if memory serves me right their faces are a bit pointy as compared to other Vics.
Here are some pics of Dayglows...
http://www.african-cichlid.com/Dayglow.htm

[Matt V]

Originally posted by Fischfan13

As for the Limax...
They are absolutely beautiful Vics that aren't seen in the hobby very much, but if memory serves me right their faces are a bit pointy as compared to other Vics.

I've got a tank full of them.

Not an easy fish to photograph... Blurry pic of my dominant male in breeding mode. He's a manic little bugger and won't sit still...

http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-08-18/156392-001.jpg

Same fish in more ordinary coloration:

http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-08-18/156392-002.jpg

For Intermingl's fish, i think it looks an awful lot like Kevin's might-be-a-phytophagus...

[Matt V]

Originally posted by StructureGuy
I don't think that was one of the requirements, otherwise how would Matt and I have made the cut?

Kevin

Amen to that... :D

If you wanna insult me, you'll have to try much harder. :wink:

[Intermingl]

i have some better pics that are comin....as soon as i get to my other computer....

[Intermingl]

here are soem more pics

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/IMG_3689.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/DSC00521.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h298/Intermingl/DSC00489.jpg

[AfricanCichlidFanatic]

Well I can tell you this much that it is not a Xystichromis phytophagus “christmas fulu” and it don’t look like a Hap “dayglow” to me either. If I would I had to chose I would also say it is a Haplochromis sp “fire red” Uganda but that solid bar is kind of bothering me though. Is anyone else bothered by that solid bar?

http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-08-30/158998-001.jpg

http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-08-30/158998-002.jpg

http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-08-30/158998-003.jpg

Video Clips

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/africancichlidfanatic/?action=view&current=trgffnf075.flv

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/africancichlidfanatic/?action=view&current=trgffnf079.flv

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/africancichlidfanatic/?action=view&current=trgffnf080.flv

[Intermingl]

are you talking about the horizontal stripe down the body??

it has 2 kinda ........reminds me of my red empress??

its weird.....but i'm not a vic person

it shouldn't be a hybrid or anythign of that sort

[Intermingl]

what abotu Haplochromis sp.
"Fire" (True)...

i saw a pic it had those stripes

what you think

[AfricanCichlidFanatic]

There is some debate as if the Haplochromis sp. “fire Red” Uganda is the same fish as the Haplochromis sp. “fire”. Well I was told they are two different species. The fact is I can’t say one way or the other as I still have yet to work with the Haplochromis sp. “fire”.