Help with species identity.

[riftlake73]

Purchased these at LFS as crimson tide. They are not crimson tide and I need your help to attempt identifying the species.
Thanks for any imput.

[riftlake73]

Sorry, pls see photo at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/raleighaquariumsociety/spnew/view/f515?i=159

[Matt V]

Can you post a picture here?

[parhaam]

hi.
welcome to the forum.
those pics are in private part.i'mnot a member of there and don't want to be,too.
just repeat Mat's question:........................?

[riftlake73]

Can anyone assist me on how to get the photos from the hard drive on my computer to the forum?

[StructureGuy]

Originally posted by riftlake73
Can anyone assist me on how to get the photos from the hard drive on my computer to the forum?

http://www.cichlidforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1292

Are you the guy I'm bringing some victorians to in Chicago?

Kevin

[riftlake73]

It is. I am working on photobuck as we speak.
Thanks for the reply.

[riftlake73]

http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/?

Sorry for the confusion. You should be able to see the photo at photobucket.

[riftlake73]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/unknown10.jpg

try this one

[riftlake73]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/unknown5.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/unknown7.jpg
http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages/2006-06-27/146732-001.jpg
Here are a couple other photos of the same fish.

[StructureGuy]

I believe that you have Paralabidochromis sp "rock kribensis" There are lots of color variations between the Mwanza Gulf (bright yellow) variety and the Uganda (blue males) variety. Some of the rock kribs are called Haplochromis "half crimson" which is why it gets confused with Pundamilia "crimson tide"

Kevin

[riftlake73]

That is what I was thinking. You say the Uganda variant displays a blue color? It is definitely showing a blue tint to the body.
Would you consider this to be a common species? I don't see too many rock kribs on stocklists any more.

My intent in keeping Victorians is to keep those species that are hard to find, breed them and spread them within the hobby to ensure their best chance against dissapearing from the hobby.
Case in point, the pseudonigricans (rufus red). My efforts started to late for me to find any.

Thanks again structureguy.

Go Boilermakers!

[Matt V]

Just saw the pics. I agree with Kevin.

[riftlake73]

Thanks Matt,

Having you and kevin as a reference means a lot.

Scott

[StructureGuy]

Originally posted by riftlake73
You say the Uganda variant displays a blue color? It is definitely showing a blue tint to the body.

If you're going on the Shedd tour at the ACA you'll see lot's of the blue variety there.

http://www.african-cichlid.com/BlueRockKribM02.jpg
As you can see, it is a very blue fish, not much like yours.


Originally posted by riftlake73
Go Boilermakers!

Okay. Now you've gone too far.

Kevin

[Matt V]

Originally posted by riftlake73
My intent in keeping Victorians is to keep those species that are hard to find, breed them and spread them within the hobby to ensure their best chance against dissapearing from the hobby.
Case in point, the pseudonigricans (rufus red).

Noble goal. Also don't neglect the more 'common' species. I keep A. latifasciata. Got a great strain that I want to spread. There are lots of really ugly latifasciata out there and lots of really ugly, inbred hap. sp. '44' and i'm beginning to see some of those same things among some nyererei out there. the less rare species deserve our attention as well! :D

Want some H. limax? My alpha male is hell-bent on making sure that all females are holding whenever possible. In fact, right now all three are. I just sent off about 30 and have probably 15 more.

what are you planning on keeping?

[riftlake73]

"As you can see, it is a very blue fish, not much like yours".

Now I am confused. The picture you are supplying is a rock krib Ugandan. Are you saying that my species in question is not rock krib Ugandan?

Sorry about the boilermaker bit. I thought you would appreciate a fellow big 10 (11) cichlid hobbiest.

[riftlake73]

MattV,

What lake are your limax from? I have Limax cf. Red Chest from O.W.E. Do you know if you have George or Edward?

I am currently keeping:
Hap. Fire Red "Uganda"
Hap. Ruby Green
Hap. Limax cf. Red Chest
Para. Chromogynos "Zue Island"
Para. Rock Krib "Uganda"
Pund. Nyererei "Igombi Island"
Pund. Igneopinnis

[StructureGuy]

Originally posted by riftlake73
Are you saying that my species in question is not rock krib Ugandan?
No, I'm sure yours isn't the blue rock krib. Like I said there is a pretty wide variety of color variations in the rock kribs. If you look here:
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/category.php?cat=16
you'll see them listed three times. Most of the pics of the Mwanza Gulf and Ugandan rock kribs are my pictures. But look at the third pic by Greg Steeves and it looks more similar to yours.

The checkerboard pattern is the dead give-away that it is either a rock krib or Paralabidochromis chilotes. But the chilotes is more slender, grows larger and has those big fat lips.


Originally posted by riftlake73
Sorry about the boilermaker bit. I thought you would appreciate a fellow big 10 (11) cichlid hobbiest.

I do appreciate it. My response was very much tongue in cheek.

Kevin

[Matt V]

Originally posted by riftlake73
MattV,

What lake are your limax from? I have Limax cf. Red Chest from O.W.E. Do you know if you have George or Edward?



Lake George

[SGypsyMermaid]

i got my pundamillia sp. half crimson from fish2u.com some years ago. they were sold to me as crimson tide, also. there's a lot of disagreement about the species status of the half crimson, but i think that we have the same fish.

[SGypsyMermaid]

http://www.petsforum.com/pida2001/TripleS.htm

scroll down to clip # 017 these are what my original strain of half crimson look like.

[SGypsyMermaid]

http://www.cichlidgallery.com/OLD-MAN-Hap-sp-blue-bar-Hippo-Point/aulonocara_blue_neon_male_female_hap_sp_half_crims on_male[url]

the male in the upper right hand corner is one of my original strain of half crimson.

here are some older(and poorer quality) shots of my original male:
[url]http://www.cichlidgallery.com/mermaids-grotto

[Matt V]

Is this fish (http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/?action=view&current=Unknown8.jpg&refPage=20&imgAnch=imgAnch21) the same as the next two?
here (http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/?action=view&current=unknown7.jpg) and here (http://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/riftlake73/?action=view&current=unknown6.jpg)?

[riftlake73]

Thanks Sgypsy! I liked viewing the Florida farmers clips. I have not seen that before. I must say that you, mattv and structureguy have hit the nail on the head. W/O a doubt I have been flim-flammed and sold half-crimson as crimson tide.

MattV, there are two colored males in that tank and to the best of my recollection all three photos are of the dominant 1.75" male.
The uneven lighting in that tank in addition to my shotty photographer skills make the fish look silver in some shots and blue-ish in others.

I stripped 2 females last night. 14 fry out of 2, 1.25" females.

[AfricanCichlidFanatic]

Hello Scott,

I agree with Kevin on the Rock Krib in question is not of an Uganda variant as well in my opinion. I remember that the Half Crimson when I had them some time ago did not display horizontal bar pattern all up through the body as the bars had stopped at the vertical bar from the bottom of the fish on the Half Crimson and I do not believe (as far as I know) is the same species as the Rock Krib.

On the Limex there is a species form Lake Edward and one from Lake George. I was just informed that the Limex cf. Red Chest maybe a riverine.

[SGypsyMermaid]

i tried to edit one of my posts in this thread, but something went haywire, so if there's any problem with the flow, that's probably the cause.

[AfricanCichlidFanatic]

I am sorry I have the vertical and the horizontal in the wrong place in my post. Vertical - referring to the bar pattern from top to bottom. Horizontal - referring to the center bar pattern from left to right.

That is correct I believe.